We need to put our children first. Carter Dillard and Karin Kuhlemann of the non-profit, Having Kids, join host Dave Gardner for a very candid conversation explaining "child-first" family planning and how it will benefit our children and make human civilization more sustainable.

MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Having Kids

• "We Can't Tackle Overpopulation When The Time Comes - We Need To Talk About It Now" by Karin Kuhlemann

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